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#26 2007-09-21 00:26:16
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Re: Grensgeschil met Guyana
WASHINGTON DC/PARAMARIBO - Suriname en Guyana zullen er goed aan doen om een vreedzame oplossing te zoeken voor het overgebleven territoriaal geschil, nadat een uitspraak is gedaan in de arbitrage over het maritiem grensgeschil tussen Suriname en Guyana.
Dat schrijft aankomend ambassadeur bij de Verenigde Naties, Henry MacDonald, vanuit Washington DC in een persbericht, uitgegeven door het ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken. In Washington zijn gisteren de mondelinge pleidooien van partijen in de arbitrageprocedure afgerond. Beide partijen hebben de afgelopen twee weken hun zaak met verve verdedigd. De uitspraak van het Internationaal Tribunaal inzake de Rechten van de Zee wordt in de eerste helft van 2007 verwacht. Behalve het belang dat in het algemeen daarbij gediend is, moet de ontwikkeling van West-Suriname voor Suriname een belangrijke factor zijn om zo gauw mogelijk de andere grenskwesties op te lossen, vindt de diplomaat. Hij is momenteel plaatsvervangend vertegenwoordiger van Suriname bij de OAS. “De ontwikkeling van West-Suriname is in 1980 in feite door Guyana geremd door zijn weigering om aan de Wereldbank, die bereid was de financiering van het project mogelijk te maken, een zogenaamde verklaring van no-objection te geven.” MacDonald: “Het maritiem grensgeschil tussen Suriname en Guyana staat niet los van twee additionele geschillen die in de historie van beide landen een rol hebben gespeeld. Eén geschil betrof de jurisdictie over de Corantijnrivier.
Het andere de territoriale driehoek in het zuiden tussen de Boven-Corantijn en de Koeroeni-Kutari.” Hij geeft aan dat de jurisdictie van Suriname over de Corantijnrivier al langer dan tien jaar niet meer in discussie is geweest. Anders is het gesteld met de driehoek in het Zuid-Westen. Dit gebied is in 1969 door Guyanese militairen bezet en ondanks een “duidelijke afspraak die in 1970 tussen president Forbes Burnham van Guyana en premier Jules Sedney van Suriname is gemaakt dat het gebied gedemilitariseerd zou worden, heeft president Bharat Jagdeo in januari 2002 te kennen gegeven dat Guyana zich niet aan deze afspraak houdt”, stelt MacDonald.
De spanningen tussen Georgetown en Paramaribo laaiden in juni 2000 hoog op, toen president Jules Wijdenbosch met wapengekletter een boorplatform van het Canadese CGX Energy uit Surinames territoriale wateren liet verwijderen. Georgetown had de Canadezen concessie verleend om in het gebied naar aardolie te boren. Diverse overleg-ronden daarna leverden geen resultaat op. DWT.
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#27 2007-09-21 00:50:15
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Foley Hoag Helps Republic of Guyana Assert Sovereignty over Oil- and Gas-Rich Seas in Maritime Dispute with Neighboring Suriname
Unanimous decision by Law of the Sea Arbitral Tribunal Ends Longstanding
Maritime Boundary Dispute, Paving Way for Underwater Exploration and
Drilling by Both Countries; Foley Hoag's Paul Reichler Served as Lead
Counsel to Guyana; Says Peaceful Resolution is a Victory for International
law
WASHINGTON and THE HAGUE, Sept. 20 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In a
decision that could set precedence for establishing international maritime
boundaries, an arbitral tribunal has awarded the Republic of Guyana
sovereignty over a nearly 13,000-square-mile swath of the Atlantic Ocean
that had also been claimed by its neighbor, Suriname.
Guyana's lead counsel, Paul Reichler, a partner in the Washington
office of law firm Foley Hoag LLP, says the ruling, which comes three and a
half years after Guyana initially filed for arbitration, fortifies the role
of international tribunals in adjudicating sovereignty disputes. According
to Mr. Reichler, arbitrated settlements of international boundaries are
rare occurrences, despite the large number of disputed maritime boundaries
around the world.
According to the terms of the tribunal's ruling, Guyana gains
sovereignty of some 12,837-square miles of the coastal waters; Suriname
receives its own portion, of approximately 6,900 square miles.
"This is a hugely important win, not only in upholding Guyana's claims
to its coastal waters, but in maintaining international law as a peaceful
solution to resolving sovereign disputes," said Mr. Reichler. "The ruling
could become an important model for settling other maritime delimitation
conflicts, since the sad fact is that there are more disputed maritime
claims around the world than there are settled maritime boundaries."
The formerly disputed waters, part of the Guyana Basin, are reportedly
rich in oil and natural gas deposits. Both Guyana and Suriname agreed to
abide by the tribunal's ruling, and as a result both nations can also now
proceed in further exploration of their respective ocean territories.
Guyana and Suriname are located side by side on the northeastern coast
of South America, between French Guyana and Venezuela. The exact position
of the ocean boundary between them had long been a subject of disagreement,
but did not erupt into real conflict until exploratory tests revealed
potentially huge deposits beneath the sea bed. Suriname had asserted a
boundary further to the north and west, while Guyana had relied on the more
widely accepted "equidistance line" method of determining the boundary,
which placed it further to the south and east. The result was a cone-shaped
area of uncertain sovereignty with its apex at the mouth of the Corentyne
River, which separates the two nations.
International law regards the first 12 miles of sea off a nation's
coast to be its sovereign territory, no different from land. The next 188
miles are considered an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), wherein the coastal
nation enjoys sole rights to all ocean resources, although vessels from
other nations may pass through.
In 2000 Guyana licensed CGX Energy, Inc., a Canadian oil and gas
company, to operate a drilling rig within the disputed waters. In June
2000, a gunboat of the Suriname navy forced the oil rig workers to
evacuate. Thereafter, international petroleum concerns were suspended in
that part of the Guyana Basin, awaiting resolution of what seemed an
increasingly intractable territorial disagreement.
Annex 7 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea provides
for compulsory arbitration if one party to a dispute seeks it. In 2004,
after a fruitless search for a negotiated settlement, Guyana filed for
arbitration; as a fellow signatory of the Convention, Suriname had to
accept. The case was heard by a panel of five experts in maritime law, at
the seat of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, the
Netherlands. Final arguments in December 2006 were held at the headquarters
of the Organization of American States in Washington, DC.
Referencing Suriname's threatened military action against Guyana for
exploring the waters, the 181-page tribunal ruling states, "Guyana now has
undisputed title to the area where the incident occurred."
In addition to finding for Guyana regarding the boundary dispute, the
arbitral tribunal found Suriname in breach of international law for
resorting to the threat of violence against the CGX drilling rig.
In a speech broadcast nationally in Guyana on September 20, President
Bharrat Jagdeo said, "The Award has taken Guyana's major arguments fully
into account, and now allows our licensees to resume their petroleum
exploration activities in the part of the sea that Guyana has claimed, in
accordance with international law. The great achievement of the Award is to
open up before Guyana and Suriname the prospect of practical harmonious
cooperation in their economic development and in their relations as good
neighbors."
Let us know if you would like a copy of the tribunal ruling issued
September 20.
About Foley Hoag
Foley Hoag LLP is a leading law firm in international law, litigation,
and arbitration of disputes among sovereign states and between sovereign
states and foreign investors. Foley Hoag also represents foreign
governments in litigation before the federal and state courts of the United
States. The firm's 250 lawyers are located in Washington, DC, and Boston.
For more information, visit http://www.foleyhoag.com.
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#28 2007-09-21 01:26:49
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Sally, Henky,Bhai,
Niet omdat je vind dat iets van je is,dat het dan ook van jou is! Grenzen in zee is altijd al heel moeilijk. Zie recentelijk de "dash" om Noordpool te claimen. Er is eeuwig gezeur tussen landen over hoe een zeegrens moet lopen.
Ik ben benieuwd hoe het op tekening is? Kan je beetje gaan vergelijken met zeegrenzen in de wereld. Dan kan je oordeel geven.
Hoe vervelend het ook is voor SME, maar je hebt grenzen nu duidelijk en carry on. Wta je in je grond hebt geef je al weg. Ik zou zeggen probeer dat goed te hebben.
Henky spoort helemaal niet om de tribunal bevooroordeeld te noemen.
Jason,
Ik vind je reacties heel goed.
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#29 2007-09-21 08:15:25
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Sally, Henky,Bhai,
Niet omdat je vind dat iets van je is,dat het dan ook van jou is! Grenzen in zee is altijd al heel moeilijk. Zie recentelijk de "dash" om Noordpool te claimen. Er is eeuwig gezeur tussen landen over hoe een zeegrens moet lopen.
Ik ben benieuwd hoe het op tekening is? Kan je beetje gaan vergelijken met zeegrenzen in de wereld. Dan kan je oordeel geven.
Hoe vervelend het ook is voor SME, maar je hebt grenzen nu duidelijk en carry on. Wta je in je grond hebt geef je al weg. Ik zou zeggen probeer dat goed te hebben.
Henky spoort helemaal niet om de tribunal bevooroordeeld te noemen.
Jason,
Ik vind je reacties heel goed.
VB, jouw opmerking is helemaal correct. Het recht heeft hoe dan ook gesproken. Mijn commentaar betrof dan ook voornamelijk de wijze waarop de surinaamse autoriteiten met deze kwestie en de uiteindelijke uitspraak zijn omgegaan. Er wodern hier knollen voor citroenen verkocht.
Uiteraard geef ik meteen toe dat ik er een beter gevoel bij zou hebben als de uitspraak anders was geweest.
Receptuur voor geluk:
Verwacht niets, dan heb je altijd genoeg.
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#30 2007-09-21 09:07:12
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VB,
Laat je toch geen oren aannaaien terwijl je die oren al hebt. Sukkelen over grenzen , en laatstelijk zeuren over zeegrenzen. Al het betaalde geld kwijt. Kon je zelf op je vingers voelen door de graai-tintelingen... hihie
Ma zouden wij niet over iets anders ongerust zijn ???? Overweeg het volgende alvorens je mooi boi foe dada komt spelen hiero hor VB.
Lim a Po had moeten bedingen dat er 1 12-mijlszone moet gelden bij welke oordeel dan ook. Dit om Guyana te beletten ondergonds in Surinese oliereserve's te komen. Hadden zij mij moeten vragen om adviezen , degenen die begrijpen wat ik schrijf , zullen het begrijpen wat ik verduidelijk in mijn postings hierboven.
Trouwens , Sally werd 1 beetje wakker , om te beweren dat mijn verhaal niet denkbeeldig is. Wel Sally , mijn verhaal is in denken en in beelden reeds gebracht. De Amerikanen zijn zo bevooroordeeld als ik weet niet wat. Achterlijke negers als Venetia en Sarijoe kunnen en zullen het nooit maken dan dat zij hun eigen zak(k)en kunnen invullen.
Indien er 1 12-mijlszone zou bedongen zijn bij deze vonnis , zou men dan wel een beter gevoel overhouden , bij dit vonnis. Begrijpt men dit niet, wil ik wel meer verduidelijking geven. En mensen , ga zelf nadenken welke zijde de Amerikaan kiest , die van negers als in Surinen of die van Amerikanen en Canadezen , die het werk moeten uitvoeren olie aan de oppervlakte te brengen.
Hiep hiep Hoera voor Venetia en Sarijoe , en zalig voor het Volk , men kieze deze 2-benigen wel weer de komende verkiezingen á lá 2010 , als het zolang mocht duren.
Vriendelijke Groeten,.............
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#32 2007-09-21 12:22:00
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Hier het artikel uit de Telegraaf:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/7135 … lecht.html
Het laatste alinea:
President Bharrat Jagdeo van Guyana heeft zijn Surinaamse ambtgenoot laten weten de uitspraak van het hof te accepteren. In de afgelopen jaren ondernam Jagdeo diplomatieke pogingen om tot gezamenlijke exploratie van het maritieme gebied te komen. Suriname wenste niet op de voorstellen van Jagdeo in te gaan.
De Hindostaans-Guyanese President Bharrat Jagdeo weet hoe zijn huiswerk moet maken.
Laat de Surinaamse President Venetiaan bij hem in de leer gaan.
De ingrediënten zijn weggeven, de koek van en voor de Surinaamse bevolking is bijna op!
Mi tik mi fatu tapu a forum
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#33 2007-09-21 13:09:56
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Re: Grensgeschil met Guyana
Saya schreef:
Hier het artikel uit de Telegraaf:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/7135 … lecht.html
Het laatste alinea:
In de afgelopen jaren ondernam Jagdeo diplomatieke pogingen om tot gezamenlijke exploratie van het maritieme gebied te komen. Suriname wenste niet op de voorstellen van Jagdeo in te gaan.
De Hindostaans-Guyanese President Bharrat Jagdeo weet hoe zijn huiswerk moet maken.
Laat de Surinaamse President Venetiaan bij hem in de leer gaan.
De ingrediënten zijn weggeven, de koek van en voor de Surinaamse bevolking is bijna op!
Dat van gezamelijke exploratie gaat gewoon niet denk een beetje na.
Het zal dan niet zo gemakelijk meer zijn om tjoekoes aan te nemen.
Voor de rest verwachte ik ook niet veel van zo een mislukte aap.
Hoe zit het met de betalingen die de staat aan de juristen betaalde.
Gezien hun wanprestatie krijg de surinaamse bevolking een deel van hun geld weer terug?
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#34 2007-09-21 14:05:34
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Henky,
Elk land dat aan zee grenst heeft een 12 mijlzone dat als Landsgrens telt, tenzij er andere landen/eilanden binnen die 12 mijl liggen. ABC eilanden/Venezuela. In Azie heb je ook voorbeelden, Singapore, Maleisie etc.
De economische zone is 200 NM.
Je schreeuwt al iets zonder zelfs te weten hoe de grenzen lopen.
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#35 2007-09-21 14:55:05
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21-9-2007
STABROEK NEWS, GUYANA
Maritime ruling 'very favourable'
Evicted CGX rig was in Guyana's waters -Oil search set to resume
Friday, September 21st 2007
Yesterday's award by a UN tribunal on the maritime boundary between Guyana and Suriname has been described by President Bharrat Jagdeo as "very favourable" and it paves the way for renewed oil exploration as the controversial site that triggered the dispute is well within this country's waters.
Addressing the nation yesterday, President Jagdeo said that the award of the Arbitral Tribunal established under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea had met all of the country's principal objectives.
Apart from establishing a single maritime boundary between Guyana and Suriname which differs from the boundaries claimed by each of the parties in their pleadings before the Arbitral Tribunal, the tribunal also found that Suriname "acted unlawfully when it expelled a drilling rig licensed by Guyana from the disputed area" in 2000.
Speaking to the nation at 4 pm on state-owned radio and television on the award at the same time as his counterpart in Suriname, Jagdeo said that Guyana, which initiated the arbitration process to settle once and for all any dispute over the maritime boundary with Suriname, "is very pleased with the judgment."
Stating that Guyana now has a definitive and permanent maritime boundary with Suriname, which Guyana considers as fair and equitable to both states, Jagdeo said that the award now "allows Guyana's licensees to resume their petroleum exploration activities in the part of the sea that Guyana has claimed, out to a distance of 200 miles from the coast, in accordance with international law.
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He said that the resolution of the dispute, which is now final and binding on the parties, will allow Guyana and Suriname to put this controversy behind them, and to proceed to cooperate as good neighbours on a wide range of issues.
The President said there were six core issues in Guyana's case and he felt that they had all been met.
In the first case - upholding the rule of law, Jagdeo said that "Suriname's action on June 3, 2000 in interrupting the activities of the oil rig CE Thornton effectively prevented any further exploratory work in that maritime area - by anyone. It certainly set back Guyana's economic development."
He said that if the status quo was preserved, there would have been irreparable damage to Guyana's development. Left unchallenged, it would have undermined the purposes of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea of which Guyana and Suriname are signatories.
He quoted the tribunal as stating that the expulsion of the CGX oil rig "constituted a threat of the use of force in breach of the Convention (on the Law of the Sea), the UN Charter, and general international law." It has also confirmed the rule of law in Caricom's maritime areas.
One the second core issue - fixing a maritime boundary, Jagdeo said that Guyana's resort to compulsory arbitration under the Law of the Sea Treaty came after intensive efforts to resolve this issue bilaterally failed.
Noting that Suriname did not want the maritime boundary to be established by the tribunal despite the damage a continuing maritime dispute would cause, Jagdeo said Suriname tried to prevent the tribunal from reaching a conclusion on the merits of the case by arguing that the tribunal had no jurisdiction to fix the maritime boundary, a move which lengthened the period and increased the costs of the arbitral process. The tribunal found that it had jurisdiction and established the maritime boundary placing "the matter beyond dispute."
Equidistance
On the third core issue - where the boundary is, the President noted that from the time of the establishment of the International Regime on the Law of the Sea in the 1950's, Guyana accepted the principle of equidistance - a technical term for a method of establishing an equitable maritime boundary between neighbouring states, by drawing a boundary line in the sea that is at all points equidistant from the coast lines of both states.
He said it was the most widely accepted method though there are variations in complex coastlines.
In the case of Guyana and Suriname, whose coastlines are relatively regular, the line runs in a north-easterly direction from the coast and Guyana has been guided by that.
Suriname argued for a boundary line that was more northerly and which would enlarge Suriname's maritime area.
He said, "They argued that the boundary line between Guyana and Suriname's territorial waters that was fixed in 1936 along a 10 degree north line for a distance of only three miles, because of considerations of the channel in the mouth of the Corentyne River, should be extended along the same 10 degree axis beyond the three mile limit previously agreed all the way to the 200 mile limit of the Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZ) claim by both Guyana and Suriname. The tribunal rejected this argument, and in the area beyond three miles from the shore it has drawn the boundary in a more northeasterly direction for the remaining 197 miles, as Guyana had requested, using the principle of equidistance as its basic guide." This principle he noted was enshrined in Guyana's maritime boundaries act since 1977.
Explaining this issue in its release the UN Permanent Court release said that "the boundary for the most part follows the equidistance line between Guyana and Suriname. However, in the territorial sea, the boundary follows an N 10 degree E line from the starting point to the three nautical mile limit, and then a diagonal line, from the intersection of the N 10 degree E line and the three nautical mile limit, to the intersection of the twelve nautical mile limit and the equidistance line."
The tribunal description of the boundary reads, "The delimitation line commences at Point 1, being the intersection of the low water line of the West Bank of the Corentyne River and the geodesic line of N 10 degree E which passes through Marker "B" established in 1936.... The tribunal holds that the 10 degree line is established between the parties from the starting point to the 3 nautical mile limit. Thereafter the tribunal arrives at a line continuing from the seaward terminus of the N 10 degree E line at three nautical mile, and drawn diagonally by the shortest distance to meet the line adopted… to delimit the parties' continental shelf and exclusive economic zone."
The release said that the line adopted by the tribunal to delimit the parties' continental shelf and EEZ follows an unadjusted equidistance line.
On the fourth core issue - Guyana's sovereignty over the resources of the sea-bed, Jagdeo said that Guyana's sovereign rights to explore and exploit the hydro-carbon resources within the boundaries of the EEZ and continental shelf, once contested by Suriname, are now settled on the basis of the tribunal's award.
On the fifth core issue, he said the award has made it possible for CGX and other licensees to resume their petroleum exploration activities on the Guyana side of the equidistance line. He quoted the tribunal as saying "Guyana now has undisputed title to the area" from where the CGX rig was forcibly evicted by the Surinamese military forces.
Jagdeo said that the area lies a full 15 kilometres to the west of the boundary established by the tribunal and is well within Guyana's waters.
As the tribunal's award took immediate effect yesterday, Jagdeo said that Guyana looks forward to the prompt and successful resumption of petroleum exploration activities in the same waters.
On the sixth core issue - Guyana-Suriname relations going forward, Jagdeo reiterated that Guyana saw the proceedings "not as an adversarial process, but one to establish a sound basis for economic development in the maritime regions of both Suriname and Guyana."
Throughout the proceedings, he said Guyana conducted itself in that manner and now that the case is ended "We look to the future as a new era of cooperation with Suriname, both within Caricom and bilaterally."
Noting that he had not referred to winners and losers in the case, he felt that both countries were winners for having taken part responsibly and peacefully in the historic process and emerging with a common maritime border that puts an end to the longstanding source of tension between the two countries.
He thanked Guyana's legal team, Minister of Foreign Affairs Rudy Insanally and officers who worked tirelessly in support of the legal team and offered the appreciation of the government and people of Guyana to the members of the tribunal for the award and to the secretariat of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague, for their professional, balanced and efficient performance through the proceedings.
Hand of friendship
Extending the hand of friendship to Suriname, Jagdeo said that, "it now remains for us to lay the foundation for a long future of harmonious relations and practical cooperation with our brothers and sisters in Suriname."
The award is contained in a 167-page document and includes five maps. The award comes three years and seven months after Guyana initiated arbitral proceedings after it tried in vain to resolve the maritime boundary issue with Suriname over a four-year period following the eviction of the CGX oil rig.
Shortly after the June 3, 2000 eviction Guyana's Ministry of Foreign Affairs held talks with their Surinamese counterpart in Trinidad and Tobago on June 6; more bilateral talks were held at Herdmanston in Georgetown on June 13, 2000.
On July 6, 2006 Caricom Heads of Government in Grenada affirmed the importance of settling the dispute by peaceful means; on July 14, 2000 talks resumed in Montego Bay, Jamaica under the chairmanship of then Prime Minister PJ Patterson; and on July 17, 2000 the talks folded over a failure to settle on a formula for the interim sharing of resources in the disputed area.
In January, 2001, Jagdeo proposed joint exploitation in talks with President Ronald Venetiaan in Paramaribo, and in January 2002, Jagdeo and Venetiaan signed a joint declaration to support cooperation in the exploitation of marine resources. They agreed to set up a subcommittee of the national border commission to look at the issue.
In October 2002, the border commission met in Paramaribo but then in March there was a diplomatic flap when the Suriname government wrote to its diplomatic missions and international organizations resident in Paramaribo advising them that the official map of Suriname now incorporates the New River Triangle. In June 2003 the joint border commission met in Georgetown and the talks were put on hold.
Finally in February, 25, 2004, Guyana moved to the UN to have its offshore maritime boundary with Suriname settled under the Law of the Sea Convention saying that it was fed up with years of delay tactics and aggression by Paramaribo.
Meanwhile, in a PR Newsire statement, Guyana's lead counsel, Paul Reichler, a partner in the Washington office of law firm Foley Hoag LLP, said the award fortifies the role of international tribunals in adjudicating sovereignty disputes.
He said Guyana gains sovereignty of some 12,837-square miles of the coastal waters; Suriname receives its own portion, of approximately 6,900 square miles.
"This is a hugely important win, not only in upholding Guyana's claims
to its coastal waters, but in maintaining international law as a peaceful
solution to resolving sovereign disputes," said Reichler. "The ruling
could become an important model for settling other maritime delimitation
conflicts, since the sad fact is that there are more disputed maritime
claims around the world than there are settled maritime boundaries", he told PR Newswire.
An Associated Press report in the International Herald Tribune last night noted that the U.S. Geological Survey has estimated that the coastal area off the two countries called the Guyana-Suriname Basin may hold recoverable oil reserves of roughly 15 billion barrels and gas reserves of 42 trillion cubic feet (1.19 trillion cubic meters).
It quoted Surinamese President Ronald Venetiaan as saying his government "is delighted and relieved that the maritime dispute with Guyana has been settled."
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Hoe ervaart Guyana de oplossing van het Tribunaal?
GUYANA/SURINAME BORDER DISPUTE FINALLY SETTLED:
UN Tribunal ruling in Guyana’s favour
-Guyana now has undisputed title to the area where the CGX rig was exploring for oil before it was forcibly evicted by the Surinamese military forces.
“My fellow Guyanese - this has been a great day for Guyana. Now it remains for us to lay the foundation for a long future of harmonious relations and practical cooperation with our brothers and sisters in Suriname - to whom, on your behalf, I extend the hand of friendship” – PRESIDENT BHARRAT JAGDEO
PRESIDENT Bharrat Jagdeo yesterday announced that Guyana is “very pleased” with the judgment of the Guyana/Suriname border dispute by the United Nations International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea based in Hamburg.
The long-awaited and much-anticipated announcement of the decision on the Guyana/Suriname border dispute by the UN International Tribunal, was made public by President Jagdeo during an address to the nation yesterday afternoon.
“Guyana, which initiated this judicial process to settle once and for all any dispute over the maritime boundary with Suriname, is very pleased with the judgment. Guyana is particularly pleased that the Award was unanimous, with all five arbitrators signing on to it,” President Jagdeo declared.
According to the President, the Award, which is unanimous and legally binding, is in the interest of both our countries and the wider Caribbean and is one that “satisfies every one of Guyana’s objectives on all six of the core issues at the heart of the case”.
“When I say that on all these central issues Guyana’s interests and objectives are met, I do not mean to be triumphalist. That, in any event, would not be a proper posture for our country to adopt.”
“In fact, the Award is in the interest of both our countries and the wider Caribbean,” the Guyanese Head of State posited.
He also announced that the UN Tribunal has stated clearly that “Guyana now has undisputed title to the area” where the CGX rig was exploring for oil before it was forcibly evicted by the Surinamese military forces.
“In fact, that area lies a full 15 kilometres to the west of the boundary established by the Arbitral Tribunal, and is therefore well within Guyana’s waters,” Mr. Jagdeo said.
He noted, too, that the Tribunal’s Award is effective immediately, and Guyana looks forward to the prompt and successful resumption of petroleum exploration activities in these waters.
Following is the address to the nation by President Jagdeo yesterday afternoon on the award of the Guyana-Suriname Arbitral Tribunal.
“Fellow Guyanese – at precisely 4:00 p.m. (16:00 hours) Guyana time today, the Guyana-Suriname Arbitral Tribunal established under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea made public its Final Award, which is unanimous and legally binding on both Parties.
After several thousand pages of written submissions contained in 13 printed volumes of ‘pleadings’; after scrutiny of literally hundreds of maps, old and new; after nearly three weeks of Oral Hearings last December, which followed earlier sessions in The Hague; after innumerable hours of analysing the law and the facts pertinent to the case - the Tribunal in its binding Award has defined the maritime boundary between Guyana and Suriname - as Guyana invited it to do three and a half years ago, when it initiated these arbitral proceedings under the United Nations Convention.
The Tribunal’s Award is contained in a volume of 167 pages, many of which are inevitably cast in highly technical, legal, geographic and cartographic terms, and it includes 5 maps.
“Guyana, which initiated this judicial process to settle once and for all any dispute over the maritime boundary with Suriname, is very pleased with the judgment. Guyana is particularly pleased that the Award was unanimous, with all five arbitrators signing on to it,” President Jagdeo declared.
The Award is very favourable to Guyana.
In particular, all of Guyana's principal objectives have been achieved. Most notably, we now have a definitive and permanent maritime boundary with Suriname. Guyana regards that boundary as fair and equitable to both States.
The Award has taken Guyana's major arguments fully into account, and now allows Guyana's licensees to resume their petroleum exploration activities in the part of the sea that Guyana has claimed, out to a distance of 200 miles from the coast, in accordance with international law.
The resolution of this dispute, which is now final and binding on the parties, will allow Guyana and Suriname to put this controversy behind them, and to proceed to cooperate as good neighbours on a wide range of issues.
Now, let me try to explain all this briefly, in layman’s terms, and leave it to the members of our Legal Team to elaborate. They will be available to answer questions from the news media tomorrow afternoon (today).
There were six core issues in this case, and Guyana’s interests and objectives have been met in each.
They were -
1. To establish that the Rule of International Law, not the rule of force, holds sway in CARICOM waters; and more specifically in the maritime areas of Guyana and Suriname.
2. To draw the boundary between the maritime areas of Guyana and Suriname in a manner that would be binding on both countries for all time and acknowledged by the international community.
3. To confirm that the line of the boundary would be influenced, above all, by the principle of equidistance for which Guyana had long contended and for which Guyana’s national law provides.
4. To secure Guyana’s sovereignty to the resources of the sea-bed on its continental shelf on the basis of an internationally recognized maritime boundary.
5. To enable Guyana’s licensees to return to the offshore area where they were exploring for oil in June 2000, when they were forced at gunpoint by a Surinamese naval vessel to abandon their activities and evacuate the area.
6. To achieve all this in a manner which allows Guyana and Suriname to cooperate as good neighbours and CARICOM partners in the development of their countries.
When I say that on all these central issues Guyana’s interests and objectives are met, I do not mean to be triumphalist. That, in any event, would not be a proper posture for our country to adopt.
In fact, the Award is in the interest of both our countries and the wider Caribbean. Let me explain why the Award satisfies every one of Guyana’s objectives on all six of the core issues at the heart of the case.
As to Core Issue 1: (Upholding the rule of law ) Suriname’s action on June 3, 2000 in interrupting the activities of the oil rig CE Thornton effectively prevented any further exploratory work in that maritime area – by anyone.
It certainly set back Guyana’s economic development. If that action was left as the determinant of the status quo, there would have been irreparable damage to Guyana’s development.
Moreover, left unchallenged, it undermined the purposes of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea of which both Guyana and Suriname (and most of the world’s countries) are signatories.
The Tribunal has found that the expulsion of the CGX oil rig by Suriname on June 3, 2000 (I quote) ‘constituted a threat of the use of force in breach of the Convention (on the Law of the Sea), the UN Charter, and general international law’ (end of quote).
The Tribunal’s Award has confirmed the rule of law in CARICOM’s maritime areas.
So, on Core Issue 1, Guyana has achieved its objectives.
As to Core Issue 2: (Fixing a maritime boundary) Guyana’s resort to compulsory arbitration under the Law of the Sea Treaty came after extensive efforts to resolve this issue bilaterally.
Suriname did not want the maritime boundary to be established by the Tribunal despite the damage a continuing maritime dispute would cause. Suriname actually tried to prevent the Tribunal from reaching a conclusion on the merits of the case.
It did so by arguing that the Tribunal had no jurisdiction to fix the maritime boundary – a step which inevitably lengthened the period and increased the costs of the arbitral process.
Guyana’s Legal Team argued strenuously against this. In the end, Guyana succeeded. The Tribunal found that it had jurisdiction and has authoritatively established the maritime boundary between Guyana and Suriname. It has placed the matter beyond dispute.
So on Core Issue 2, Guyana has achieved its objectives.
As to Core Issue 3: (Where the boundary is) From the time of the establishment of the International Regime on the Law of the Sea in the 1950s, Guyana has asserted its acceptance of the principle of equidistance – a technical term for a method of establishing an equitable maritime boundary between neighbouring states, by drawing a boundary line in the sea that is at all points equidistant from the coastlines of both States.
It is the most widely accepted method in the international community although there are variations in particularly complex coastlines.
In the case of Guyana and Suriname, whose coastlines are relatively regular, it produces a line that runs in a north-easterly direction from the coast; and Guyana has been guided by it consistently.
Suriname has argued for a boundary line that is more northerly; one that would therefore enlarge Suriname’s maritime area.
They argued that the boundary line between Guyana’s and Suriname’s territorial waters that was fixed in 1936 along a 10 degree North line for a distance of only 3 miles, because of considerations of the channel in the mouth of the Corentyne River, should be extended along the same 10 degree axis beyond the 3 mile limit previously agreed all the way to the 200-mile limit of the Exclusive Economic Zones claimed by both Guyana and Suriname.
The Tribunal has rejected this argument, and in the area beyond 3 miles from the shore it has drawn the boundary in a more north-easterly direction for the remaining 197 miles, as Guyana had requested, using the principle of equidistance as its basic guide. That principle was enshrined in the law of Guyana since 1977 – in our Maritime Boundaries Act; and has always guided our conduct.
So, on Core Issue 3, Guyana has achieved its objectives
As to Core Issue 4: (Guyana’s sovereignty to the resources of the sea-bed). The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea establishes that, in its Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf as delimited under the Convention, Guyana has ‘sovereign rights’ of exploration and exploitation of the resources of the sea-bed and sub-soil of the Zone, and of the waters above them.
The Exclusive Economic Zone runs outwards from Guyana’s territorial sea up to a distance of 200 miles and is bounded on the lateral side with Suriname by the maritime boundary that the Tribunal has established.
Guyana’s sovereign rights to explore and exploit the hydrocarbon resources within the boundaries of the Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf, once contested by Suriname, are now settled on the basis of the Tribunal’s Award.
So, on Core Issue 4, Guyana has achieved its objectives.
Core Issue 5: (Return of Guyana’s licensees to the disputed area.) The Tribunal’s Award has made it possible for CGX and other licensees to resume their petroleum exploration activities on Guyana’s side of the equidistance line, which as of today constitutes the definitive lawful and internationally recognised boundary between Guyana and Suriname.
The Tribunal has stated clearly that “Guyana now has undisputed title to the area” where the CGX rig was exploring for oil before it was forcibly evicted by the Surinamese military forces. In fact, that area lies a full 15 kilometres to the west of the boundary established by the Arbitral Tribunal, and is therefore well within Guyana’s waters.
The Tribunal’s Award is effective immediately, and Guyana looks forward to the prompt and successful resumption of petroleum exploration activities in these waters.
So on Core Issue 5, Guyana’s objectives have been achieved.
Core Issue 6: (Guyana-Suriname relations going forward). As I explained when I announced the filing of Guyana’s Claim on February 25, 2004, Guyana saw the proceedings before the Tribunal ‘not as an adversarial process, but one designed to establish a sound basis for economic development in the maritime regions of both Suriname and Guyana’.
Throughout the proceedings, Guyana conducted itself in that manner, and now that they are ended we look to the future as a new era of cooperation with Suriname, both within CARICOM and bilaterally. Both Guyana and Suriname are pledged and obligated by international law to accept and respect the Tribunal’s Award.
I have already explained how satisfied Guyana is with the Award on every one of the Core Issues before the Tribunal. I have deliberately not spoken of ‘winners and losers’; that would not be appropriate, because in a very important sense both Guyana and Suriname are winners - for having participated responsibly and peacefully in this historic process, and for having emerged with a common maritime border that puts an end to this longstanding source of tension between our two great countries.
The great achievement of the Award is to open up before Guyana and Suriname the prospect of practical harmonious cooperation in their economic development and in their relations as good neighbours. I have already conveyed these sentiments to President Venetiaan.
So, on Core Issue 6, Guyana has achieved its objectives, and both Guyana and Suriname have prevailed.
It remains for me to thank Guyana’s Legal Team whose members have worked with commitment and professionalism over the last three and a half years to make today’s result possible: to our Co-Agents Sir Shridath Ramphal, Mr. Paul Reichler of the Foley Hoag law firm in Washington, and Professor Payam Akhavan of McGill University in Montreal.
I also want to thank Professor Philippe Sands of University College, London and Professor Nico Schrijver of Leiden University in the Netherlands, and our Cartographic experts Dr. Galo Carrera and Mr. Scott Edmonds.
I commend, too, Guyana’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Minister Rudy Insanally and his officers who worked tirelessly in support of our Legal Team.
And special thanks are due to Guyana’s Licensee, CGX, for its patience and support over the years it has taken to see this matter through to today’s satisfying completion.
Finally, I offer the appreciation of the Government and people of Guyana to the Chairman of the Arbitral Tribunal, Judge Dolliver Nelson, and to each of the four other distinguished Members of the Tribunal, for the erudition and justice of their Award, and to the Secretariat of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, for their professional, balanced and extremely efficient performance throughout these historic proceedings.
My fellow Guyanese - this has been a great day for Guyana. Now it remains for us to lay the foundation for a long future of harmonious relations and practical cooperation with our brothers and sisters in Suriname - to whom, on your behalf, I extend the hand of friendship.”
Tribunal award preserves 93% of CGX’s Corentyne Licence
CGX Energy Inc in a statement following the UN Tribunal on the Law of the Sea decision on the Guyana/Suriname border dispute said it is pleased with this development and noted that the award preserves 93% of its Corentyne Licence.
“Looking forward, if an offshore discovery is made in either Guyana or Suriname, it could lead to many more throughout the basin. Significant employment, infrastrucuture and service sector opportuities willevolve to support the dynamic exploration and development will follow. The combined resources of both countries will be required to support the evolution of a new petroleum in the Guyana/Suriname basin,” CGX noted.
CGX holds an interest in four Production Sharing Licences from the Government of Guyana, covering 8.7 million acres onshore.
Other companies holding licences in the area of overlapping border claims are Maxus Guyana Ltd, a subsidiary of Repsol YPF and Esso Exploration and Production Guyana Ltd.
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The Tribunal's delimitation of the maritime boundary between Guyana and Suriname.
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Guyana vindicated by UN Tribunal on the Law of the Sea ruling
Finally, the long-awaited ruling on the Guyana/Suriname maritime border dispute has been declared and it is very favourable to Guyana as it has been awarded two-thirds of the disputed area, and very importantly it is the part where the water is shallow.
Perhaps this is another example of where the old adages of “good things come to those who wait” and “patience is virtue” have been proved to be true.
Also another extremely positive outcome of the Tribunal’s ruling is that the area from which CGX was forcibly ejected by the Surinamese army belongs to Guyana.
All Guyana must be ecstatic at this historic outcome as it gives a sigh of relief and a renewed chance to exploit our maritime resources and push the developmental process forward.
Our legal team which included Sir Shridath Ramphal, Professor Payam Akhavan and Paul Reichler must be commended for successfully articulating our position. Their dedication and persistence were remarkable and in the end all Guyana won.
Guyana’s case was pursued based on the principle of equidistance--a method of establishing an equitable maritime boundary between neighbouring states and is the most widely accepted method in the international community although there are variations in particularly complex coast lines.
However, Guyanese should not see this as a triumph over our eastern neighbour and fellow CARICOM state but instead should use the Tribunal’s ruling as a stepping stone to strengthening and deepening their cooperation and forge closer ties.
President Bharrat Jagdeo in his address to the nation yesterday alluded to this.
“The resolution of this dispute, which is now final and binding on both parties, will allow Guyana and Suriname to put the controversy behind them, and to proceed to cooperate as good neighbours on a wide range of issues,” he declared.
This, indeed, demonstrates the magnanimity and statesmanship of our Head of State.
He added: “When I say that on all these central issues Guyana’s interests and objectives are met, I do not mean to be triumphalist. That, in any event, would not be a proper gesture for our country to adopt. In fact, the Award is in the interest of both countries and the wider Caribbean.”
There is also an important lesson to be learnt from this maritime border dispute, and that is whenever such differences exist between neighbours there should not be resort to the use of force and all avenues of a bilateral settlement exhausted because in this case both countries suffered.
It took three and a half years to have this matter settled during which time all exploration of potential natural resources ceased, hence economic development was hindered.
In fact Guyana, had offered its neighbour a 50/50 partnership development of the disputed area which it bluntly refused to the benefit of neither party.
However, now that the dust has settled it is time to get back to basics and move swiftly towards exploration of potential petroleum resources.
The door is now reopened for The Canadian-based company, CGX, to return to its oil exploration which was stopped by the use of force. And the door is also open for other companies to do the same.
If exploration results in a favourable outcome with respect to having a feasible quantity of oil reserves, this could blend in perfectly with the US$500M proposed Crab Island oil refinery venture.
But for now all Guyana should feel proud that we now legally have what was always ours.
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VB je trapt erin tot je kin. Kun je nog adem halen????
Wat ik bedoel dat Surinen moet bedingen is dat links 12 mijl, vanaf de scheidslijn zoals Jason dat heeft verduidelijkt met zijn foto , de Guyanezen niet naar olie mogen boren.
Evenzo geldt voor Surinen dat zij 12 mijl rechts vanaf de lijn die op foto geplaatst door Jason , niet naar olie mogen boren .
Van en voor de visserij gelden andere afstanden die in 8 dienen genomen te worden door vissers en visboten van beide Landen .
Kun je het nu beter snappen wat ik bedoel ???????? Kom niet hier de slimme jonghe uithangen, neem je in 8 voordat je iemand zomaar wat toeroept. Alsof ik het niet weet. Natuurlijk weet ik het niet ,het komt gewoon in mijn ged8en op. En waarom die 12-mijlszone links en rechts ?????????
Nou dan kunnen beide Staten niet bij elkaars olie-reserves komen ondergronds, ben jij slim _____??????????????? Hihiee .... slimmerd. Notabene verzocht ik je om na te denken , kennelijk wel 1 sterke kant van je..... Omdat beide Staten nu toch kunnen boren naar elkaars oliereserves, zo dichtbij de vastgestelde grens door ITLOS. Slim niet , huh ????????Je wordt bedankt voor je opmerkingen.
Toch zal ik je zeggen
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Bron: De Ware Tijd
21-09-2007
Zo ziet de verdeling uit van het maritiem gebied, zoals die door het Arbitrage Tribunaal inzake de VN Conventie over de rechten van de zee (UNCLOS) is verdeeld onder Suriname en Guyana.
Suriname krijgt het rechterdeel groot 17.871 vierkante kilometer (6.900 vierkante mijl) en Guyana het linkerdeel van 33.152 vierkante kilometer (12.800 vierkante mijl). Het tribunaal bevestigde verder dat de gehele Corantijnrivier van Suriname is.
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Als iemand begrijpt waar die 49% en 51% op slaan dan mag die dat zeggen !!
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Jason,
Waar heb je de cijfers vandaan? Alles is afhankelijk hoe iemand het heeft geconverteerd. Misschien heeft iemand het verkeerd omgerekend met gewone mijlen.
We hebben over zeemijlen (nautical miles) dus 1 nm = 1.852 km. Verwarring kan hierin liggen.
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Henky,
Ik ben geen geoloog. Ik ken een paar uit olie industrie. Dit is een useless discussie volgens hun. Als een ader doorloopt kan je altijd van elkaar "jatten".
Misschien is het zo dat die oliebel in Guyanees deel ligt en beetje 2 mijlen in SME. Door net naast grens te boren kan SME gewoon eruit pompen. Bij 12 mijl hadden de Guyana het wel gehouden en Suriname had niks.Dit geldt natuurlijk ook omgekeerd, waarvan jij bent uitgegaan.
Als er blijkt dat er een bron is dat zowel in SME als GUY ligt zullen er weer nader afspraken gemaakt moeten worden.
Zoniet, degene met grootste pomp krijgt het meeste.
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Beste Jason,
Slaat op de oppervlakte van het gedeelte onder dispuut. Hierover had Guyana de ITLOS verzocht uitspraak te doen. Tussen de 2 stippellijnen.
Ma wat jij niet weet , hoeveel miljoenen is weggegeven aan LimA Po voor zijn bewezen diensten ??? Niet die Po waar baby's 's-morgens op zitten om hun kakkie te doen.
Ik vind dat zij flink geoefend hebben om de info naar het Volk toe te brengen. Heel beschaafd en netjes. Ondertussen heeft ook Mark Waaldijk van Staatsolie aangegeven dat hij gaat boren.
Ik zou hem adviseren zo dichtbij de grens van Guyana te boren om daar alles eerst leeg te maken, alvorens naar rechts uit te wijden. Omdat er geen westerbreedte 12-mijlszone is bedongen door beide Staten. Dus kan Guyana ook zo dichttbij mogelijk aan linkerzijde van zijn grens gaan boren om zo de Surinese oliereserves eerst te legen en dan verder naar rechts.
Je begrijpt dat er nog steeds fraude-gevoelige handelingen kunnen gepleegd worden, door beide Staten. Het is dus geen internationale oplossing tot algehele tevredenheid of dat men zou kunnen rusten tot nader bekijks.
Hetzelfde geldt voor de rechter-noordgedeelte, bij de Marowijne rivier en de betwiste gebied bij Frans Guyana , Cayenne genoemd door Fransen.
Hoera , daar gaan we weer,
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VB schreef:
Jason,
Waar heb je de cijfers vandaan? Alles is afhankelijk hoe iemand het heeft geconverteerd. Misschien heeft iemand het verkeerd omgerekend met gewone mijlen.
We hebben over zeemijlen (nautical miles) dus 1 nm = 1.852 km. Verwarring kan hierin liggen.
VB,
Dit bericht komt van De Ware Tijd online, zoals vermeld.
Misschien is er een vergissing gemaakt met landmijlen en zeemijlen maar dan kom ik nog niet op een verdeling van 49% en 51%.
Ik ga er overigens vanuit dat het betwist (zee)gebied staat voor 100%.
Of is het alleen maar om zand in de ogen te gooien van de vluchtige lezer ?
Die zich alleen kort door plaatjes laat informeren.
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Voor de duidelijkheid,
De linkse stippellijn had Po otje aangegeven en de rechtse stippellijn hadden de rovers van Guyana aangegeven.
En hiertussen moesten de ITLOS-strategen beslissen.... , denk maar na. Eenvoud siert de mens. Ma nu weet ik niet of dat zo is met Guyanezen.
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Vooral die Guyanezen die in Surinen wonen , man man , je wil niet weten wat voor leugens en escapades zij in al de jaren uitgehaald hebben om een woonst en verdienste te vinden in Suirnen.
Het was regelmaat dat kleding na de was , ter droging aan de waslijn opgehangen werden in de tuin. 's-Nachts kwam er bezoek van Guyanezen en jatten zij alle kleding weg van je, van hele gezinnen in Surimaribo.
Deze kledingstukken werden gewisseld met kledinstukken van familie-leden in Guyana , zodat de mensen in Surimaribo, nimmer hun kleding terugzagen.
Gewoon verdwenen al hun kledingsstukken , en de feiten over info naar buiten afgegeven door Guyanese wasvrouwen of keukenhulpen.
Had je 1 Guyanes keukenhulpje, kon het gebeuren dat er alweer 's-nachts , bij je ingebroken werd en al je geld en sieraden ingenomen werd.
Negers in Surimaribo wonende , hebben deze praktijken geleerd van deze Guyanezen , maar dan als de rovers denken dat het niet genoeg is, de jongste puberdochter door meerdere rovers verkracht wordt achtergelaten. Dit zijn enkele van de duistere handelingen van Guyanezen, bekend in Surinen.
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Jason,
Sorry, dacht bronvermelding voor het kaart gold.
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Jongens en meisjes ,de kogel is door de kerk . zonder bloedvergieten is
men toch tot een oplossing gekomen. en daar mogen we blij mee zijn
want oorlog is het stomste dat er anno 2007 nog bestaat.
Sur.krijgt er 12000 km2 zee en de volledige corantijn rivier erbij. als ik
naar de tekening van Jason kijk dan vind ik dat de koek toch eerlijk verdeeld is . sommigen zullen zeggen ,ja maar dat hadden ze al. dus niet want daarom moest er geprocedeerd worden.
als er olie-gasvoorraden in het Guyanese deel van de zeebodem zitten dan zal dat heus wel ook in het Sur.deel zitten .
en zoals VB aanhaalde , degene die het eerst begint met de exploitatie
en over de beste equipment beschikt ,zal de lachende zijn.
voorzover ik weet beschikt Sur.zelf niet over equipment om dat te bewerkstelligen ,dus ze moeten gauw een partner in huis halen om met
de exploitatie te beginnen want als ze te lang wachten en Guyana is al
bezig dan zuigen ze straks ook de voorraden van Sur.weg .
dus daarover moeten we ons druk maken en niet dat Guyana een kilometertje meer of minder heeft gekregen .
verder vraag ik mij af hoe het is afgelopen met dat stukje betwist gebied in het uiterste puntje van West Sur. dat werd geclaimd door Guyana. Sur.en Guyana zijn gescheiden door de Corantijnrivier. dus als
Sur.de volledige beschikking krijgt van de Corantijnrivier dan behoort
het betwist gebied dus links van de Conrantijnrivier nu definitief tot Sur.grondgebied.
ik kan het ook verkeerd zien hoor ,dus reken mij niet af op deze materie.
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Rambo,
Helemaal mee eens. Dat opgefokt doen is gewoon gelul. Wat je hebt moet goed je koesteren. Verdomme, ze laten het goud wegvloeien, erger vind ik milieu schade.
Betwist gebied, het verhaal is dat linkse rivier geen Corantijn heet, vervolgens zijn er twee methoden: als de hoofdrivier (Corantijn) van SME is dan is het rivier dat de meeste water in Corantijn in brengt ook van SME. Er is andere methode die ik niet meer kan herinneren. Ik heb
op school geleerd (in SME) dat elk methode nadeel heeft voor SME.
Bij eentje raak je Guyanees kant kwijt en bij ander de Frans Guyanese kant.
Wie het weet mag hierover meer uitwijden. Graag zelfs!
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Henky,
Je bent ziek. Het is onbegrijpelijk hoe jij links en rechts allerlei bevolkingsgroepen, volk van andere landen voor alles en nog wat uitmaakt.
Er zijn eerlijke en handwerkende Guyanezen. Net als elk volk hebben zij hun rotte appels.
De Surinaamse hindoestanen waarvan jij en ik deel uitmaken zijn zeker ook geen lievertjes. Discrimineren kunnen ze zeker en achterbaks zijn ook.
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Je kan je neerleggen bij allerlei technische argumenten en wat gangbaar is bij de vaststelling van de maritieme grens, maar wat de essentie is is de wijze waarop de voorbereiding en de verdediging is aangepakt.
Hoe beter voorbereid je een zaak voorlegt hoe meer kans je maakt op succes en dat is de essentie.
Het valt me op dat Surinamers, zij die in verouderde paradigmas denken, gauw tevreden zijn met antwoorden die passen binnen een bepaald kennisniveau of bepaalde percepties. Vervolgens is voor hen de case af. Alles wat eventueel anders had kunnen zijn wagen zij zich liever niet aan, daarvoor moet er namelijk een beroep gedaan worden op hun strijdbaarheid en moeten bepaalde competenties aanwezig zijn.Zoals we weten is vooral de oude garde daar niet mee behept.
Men heeft geen weet van onderhandelingstechnieken, diplomatisch optreden, conceptueel denken, netwerken, internationale betrekkingen beheren, pragmatisch handelen, enz enz.
Dus als de 12mijlszone wereldwijd wordt gehanteerd dan zal dat wel zo zijn. Of als de rechters op basis van wat er geldt in maritieme kwesties een oordeel uitspreken, dan zal dat wel zo zijn en dan dienen wij ons daar bij neer te leggen volgens deze groep.
Maar wat in deze zaak ter discussie staat is de voorbereiding van de zaak en de wijze waarop de zaak door enkele partijloyalisten is aangepakt.
Het grote verlies is het feit dat deze regering wederom deskundigen die met deze zaak bezig waren aan een kant heeft geschoven en eigenhandig met een paar geldwolven dit voor Suriname zeer eminent economisch belang is gaan verdedigen bij een tribunaal terewijl men eerder heeft geadviseerd om dit te vermijden.
Nu verwijt men Wijdenbosch dat hij in eerste intantie niet met zoveel geknetter cgx had moeten verwijderen. Volgens de pantoffelhelden van Suriname had guyana dan niet naar Itlos gegaan. Maar daarom juist hadden mannen als wijdenbosch ervoor gepleit om de zaak verder nationaal op te lossen en met all hands on deck en door alle nationale krachten te bundelen de zaak aan te vechten op de reeds in geslagen weg.
Men wilde dit op ander niveau oplossen, namelijk in Caricom verband. De staatshoofden van de verschillende landen erbij betrekken had guyana in een dusdanige positie gebracht dat het niet zover hoefde te komen dat men naar het tribunaal zou gaan. Een land voor het itlos slepen is makkelijker maar als meerdere landen zich hadden bemoeid ermee was dat voor Guyana al een obstakel meer geweest om naar het tribunaal te gaan. Op diplomatiek niveau kan je namelijk als je goed lobbiet veel gedaan krijgen. Maar we weten wat Suriname inmiddels voorstelt op diplomatiek niveau en internationale betrekkingen. Dus daar wringt de schoen.
De wijze waarop men zich erbij neerlegt is wederom om het eigen falen te maskeren. ''We moeten tevreden zijn en niet hebzuchtig zijn"" zegt een staatshoofd dan aan zijn volk. Houdt hen vervolgens voor dat we gewonnen hebben net als guyana. Ja we hebben gewonnen op het gebied wat sowieso al van ons was en niet interessant was voor Guyana maar we hebben verloren wat Guyana begeerde.
Elke case valt of staat met een goede verdediging en deskundige voorbereiding.
We kunnen dus concluderen dat er wederom bewezen is dat onze leiders van dit moment zoals in alle andere zaken zulke nitwits zijn dat ze alles maar dan ook alles kwijt raken met de wijze waarop zij schijnen te onderhandelen. Geen enkele zaak het economisch belang van suriname betreffende is de laatste jaren in suriname met de nodige kunde benaderd en dus succesvol geweest voor Suriname."
Dit is een nationale ramp en toch wil men het volk , conform de oude heersers, laten geloven dat alles goed komt en dat we tevreden moeten zijn.
Laatst bewerkt door Sally (2007-09-21 19:09:46)
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